Dana's Recruiting History w/QBs

[Eermountain]

Lookin at this is somewhat troubling. Take away Grier,Howard,and Trickett and god only knows where this program would be.

High School QBs
Paul Millard *** - limited action, eventually left team as a 5th year senior
Brian Athey *** - Didn't even step foot on campus, enrolled at Illinois State and played TE
Ford Childress *** - Off field issues, eventually dismissed from team. Transfered to Fresno State and had limited action.
Chavas Rawlins *** - Early enrolle but left team after spring and transferred to Duquesne.
William Crest **** - Highly touted player(#7 Dual QB in his class) left team and came back but has not materialized.
Chris Chugunov *** - Backup has played sparingly and is now the starter for the team.
David Sills **** - Child prodigy QB that ultimately ended up playing WR. left team after freshman year for junior college and then returned to team. All American status as WR.
Cody Saunders ** - Left team due to medial issue after freshman season. Never saw action on the field.
Trey Lowe *** - #17 Dual Threat QB in the 2018 class and only QB signed for this upcoming class.

JUCO/Transfers
Clint Trickett - Transfer from Florida State. Starter for one season. Did not finish the season due to injury.
Skyler Howard - two year starter 18-8 as a starter
Will Grier - Transfer from Florida. 6-0 record as starter before being suspended. Injured against Texas, out for final season game and bowl game.
Jack Allison - Transfer from Miami,redshirt freshman(has to sit out 2017 season)
David Isreal - redhirted for 2017 season

 

[Bluevalley33]

Lookin at this is somewhat troubling. Take away Grier,Howard,and Trickett and god only knows where this program would be.

High School QBs
Paul Millard *** - limited action, eventually left team as a 5th year senior
Brian Athey *** - Didn't even step foot on campus, enrolled at Illinois State and played TE
Ford Childress *** - Off field issues, eventually dismissed from team. Transfered to Fresno State and had limited action.
Chavas Rawlins *** - Early enrolle but left team after spring and transferred to Duquesne.
William Crest **** - Highly touted player(#7 Dual QB in his class) left team and came back but has not materialized.
Chris Chugunov *** - Backup has played sparingly and is now the starter for the team.
David Sills **** - Child prodigy QB that ultimately ended up playing WR. left team after freshman year for junior college and then returned to team. All American status as WR.
Cody Saunders ** - Left team due to medial issue after freshman season. Never saw action on the field.
Trey Lowe *** - #17 Dual Threat QB in the 2018 class and only QB signed for this upcoming class.

JUCO/Transfers
Clint Trickett - Transfer from Florida State. Starter for one season. Did not finish the season due to injury.
Skyler Howard - two year starter 18-8 as a starter
Will Grier - Transfer from Florida. 6-0 record as starter before being suspended. Injured against Texas, out for final season game and bowl game.
Jack Allison - Transfer from Miami,redshirt freshman(has to sit out 2017 season)
David Isreal - redhirted for 2017 season

So you want to criticize him and discount Grier, Howard and Trickett? Seems like a very weak argument. Only one kid gets to play so go look at every program and you will find 10-15 castoffs who never made it. We seem to have had our fair share of capable QB’s during Holgorson’s tenure, it is the massive failures in other areas that have and continue to plague this program. Special teams play, a kicker/punter, the continued belief that a 3-3-5 system will win you anything meaningful. Let’s look there too.

 

[Eermountain]

So you want to criticize him and discount Grier, Howard and Trickett? Seems like a very weak argument. Only one kid gets to play so go look at every program and you will find 10-15 castoffs who never made it. We seem to have had our fair share of capable QB’s during Holgorson’s tenure, it is the massive failures in other areas that have and continue to plague this program. Special teams play, a kicker/punter, the continued belief that a 3-3-5 system will win you anything meaningful. Let’s look there too.

No one is criticizing anyone. If you would of read what I wrote, without the likes of Grier,Howard, and Trickett WVU would be in a world of trouble offensively because the high school recruiting product has not fared well. Since Dana's first recruiting class in 2011 to the present he has yielded 8 high school QBs(not counting Lowe) and of those 8, only 3(Sills who is a wideout now, Crest who is a wideout and Chuggs) will finish their career as a Mountaineer. We are recruiting very but still so behind when it comes to high school QBs. People say high school QBs should love to come to play for Dana. Why when your likely to be buried on the depth chart behind transfer QBs and JUCOS. That is a problem especially because Crest who was a 4 star QB and was not able to start over Trickett or Howard or even Millard. So back to my statement about Dana's recruiting. He has had the luxury of plug and play guys like Trickett, Howard, and Now Grier and probably Allison in 2 years or Isreal. At some point you need to develop quarterbacks out of high school and stop relying on the next transfer or JUCO to fall your way. Group 5 schools are able to to do it so there is no reason WVU shouldn't be able to.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

So you want to criticize him and discount Grier, Howard and Trickett? Seems like a very weak argument. Only one kid gets to play so go look at every program and you will find 10-15 castoffs who never made it. We seem to have had our fair share of capable QB’s during Holgorson’s tenure, it is the massive failures in other areas that have and continue to plague this program. Special teams play, a kicker/punter, the continued belief that a 3-3-5 system will win you anything meaningful. Let’s look there too.

It's an absolutely fair criticism. 7 years and WVU has had to rely on holdover Geno and transfers who have already been coached up and played some higher level ball. That means this staff is either poor at recruiting or developing. I think the physical talent that has been recruited is respectable, it's coaching that raw talent into a serviceable player at QB which is lacking. A big problem if your coaching philosophy is around a strong offense based on a competent passing QB.

 

[TheHatedOnexxxxz]

So you want to criticize him and discount Grier, Howard and Trickett? Seems like a very weak argument. Only one kid gets to play so go look at every program and you will find 10-15 castoffs who never made it. We seem to have had our fair share of capable QB’s during Holgorson’s tenure, it is the massive failures in other areas that have and continue to plague this program. Special teams play, a kicker/punter, the continued belief that a 3-3-5 system will win you anything meaningful. Let’s look there too.

TCU plays with the 3-3-5.
That is where Dana and Gibson learn the system from was Gary Patterson.
The issue is not the system but the overall talent in the system.
You need bigger linemen for it to work.
TCU doesn't substitute size for speed like West Virginia.

 

[TheHatedOnexxxxz]

Watch the 2011 Rose Bowl
TCU and Wisconsin
TCU dominated Wisconsin's power running attack like no team in the B1G could all year

 

[dangerousdaneerfan]

Let us not forget that Dana had Geno left over from Bill Stewart.

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

TCU plays with the 3-3-5.
That is where Dana and Gibson learn the system from was Gary Patterson.
The issue is not the system but the overall talent in the system.
You need bigger linemen for it to work.
TCU doesn't substitute size for speed like West Virginia.

WVU has ran the 3-3-5 since 2002-2003. Jeff Casteel ran it when he coached in the WVIAC and brought it here after Phil Elmasion was FIRED as D.C. after 2001 for being an idiot and mad man. Todd Graham was the Co D.C. In 2002 with Casteel. Gary Patterson has had zero to do with WVU's defense.

 

[TheHatedOnexxxxz]

WVU has ran the 3-3-5 since 2002-2003. Jeff Casteel ran it when he coached in the WVIAC and brought it here after Phil Elmasion was FIRED as D.C. after 2001 for being an idiot and mad man. Todd Graham was the Co D.C. In 2002 with Casteel. Gary Patterson has had zero to do with WVU's defense.

Todd Graham is from Allen, Tx.
Patterson was the one who originally ran the 3-3-5 as his base defense in the late 90's

 

[TejasFan]

I don't see the 3-3-5 as a viable defense against the run. I would like Holgs to explain things to me with regard to how it works against the run. Warez

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

Let us not forget that Dana had Geno left over from Bill Stewart.

And Geno has Dana and his offense to thank for him being a second round pick cause our offense totally sucked when Bill Stewart was HC and Jeff Mullen was playing OC with bubble screen after bubble screen followed by Jock and or Noel up the middle/on the sweep. That is when I knew Doc knew nothing about football. Anyone who could set next to Jeff Mullen with that playcalling for 2 seasons and not kick his ass and take over was never meant to be a Head Coach in Morgantown.

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

Todd Graham is from Allen, Tx.
Patterson was the one who originally ran the 3-3-5 as his base defense in the late 90's

Jeff Casteel ran that defense before that slimy snake Todd Graham was ever known in Morgantown. Three guys I went to high school played for Casteel at Shepherd in the early 90s. Gary Patterson had zero to do with it.

Gibson learned that defense while working with Casteel and he runs it better than Casteel cause this HC (Dana) doesn't steal every good athlete to make him a flanker/wr or TE like other HCs in Morgantown have (see other Slimy Dick Head in Zona).

 

[Major Applewhite]

Jeff Casteel ran that defense before that slimy snake Todd Graham was ever known in Morgantown. Three guys I went to high school played for Casteel at Shepherd in the early 90s. Gary Patterson had zero to do with it.

Problem is both coaches arrived at West Virginia at the same time.
Todd Graham is the first one who introduced Texas football into West Virginia.
It is not just on defense your entire offense is a creation of the Texas HS system. Hal Mummee, Leach and Dana had their system that came from the West Coast.
When Leach arrived at Tech he hired Art Briles who coached high school football in Texas. Briles changed the Air Raid to what you see now.

The real situation at West Virginia is that the offense and defense needs to be evolved because the high school system in Texas has changed the last 5 years and it seems to a lot of people in the Big XII that West Virginia's offense has not changed.

Even Kliff Kingsbury at Tech bulked up his D Line this year and tried to run the football.

 

[Major Applewhite]

A lot of it came from Texas' insecurities
When people in Louisiana started calling Texas football soft it forced Texas to start establishing a new form of power football.
Now Texas High schools and colleges are taking pride in playing smash mouth football.
In the next two years it will get even more physical

 

[Major Applewhite]

 

[tOSUGrad90]

Watch the 2011 Rose Bowl
TCU and Wisconsin
TCU dominated Wisconsin's power running attack like no team in the B1G could all year

Cool story, bro, but you're either lying or clueless. TCU surrendered 226 rushing yards to Wisconsin. Michigan State, Iowa, Ohio State, and even Purdue held the Badgers to less than 200 yards rushing that season. Dinner has been served.

 

[eerdoc]

Lookin at this is somewhat troubling. Take away Grier,Howard,and Trickett and god only knows where this program would be.

High School QBs
Paul Millard *** - limited action, eventually left team as a 5th year senior
Brian Athey *** - Didn't even step foot on campus, enrolled at Illinois State and played TE
Ford Childress *** - Off field issues, eventually dismissed from team. Transfered to Fresno State and had limited action.
Chavas Rawlins *** - Early enrolle but left team after spring and transferred to Duquesne.
William Crest **** - Highly touted player(#7 Dual QB in his class) left team and came back but has not materialized.
Chris Chugunov *** - Backup has played sparingly and is now the starter for the team.
David Sills **** - Child prodigy QB that ultimately ended up playing WR. left team after freshman year for junior college and then returned to team. All American status as WR.
Cody Saunders ** - Left team due to medial issue after freshman season. Never saw action on the field.
Trey Lowe *** - #17 Dual Threat QB in the 2018 class and only QB signed for this upcoming class.

JUCO/Transfers
Clint Trickett - Transfer from Florida State. Starter for one season. Did not finish the season due to injury.
Skyler Howard - two year starter 18-8 as a starter
Will Grier - Transfer from Florida. 6-0 record as starter before being suspended. Injured against Texas, out for final season game and bowl game.
Jack Allison - Transfer from Miami,redshirt freshman(has to sit out 2017 season)
David Isreal - redhirted for 2017 season

Please educate me as the positive take away from this post? Short of seeing it as a thinly disguised ‘hit piece’ directed toward Dana I fail to understand the message.
Never miss any opportunity to take a cheap shot!

 

[Major Applewhite]

Cool story, bro, but you're either lying or clueless. TCU surrendered 226 rushing yards to Wisconsin. Michigan State, Iowa, Ohio State, and even Purdue held the Badgers to less than 200 yards rushing that season. Dinner has been served.

Yards per rush....
Wisconsin might have gained a lot of yards but when it came to push and shove Wisconsin couldn't score TD's on TCU
Montee Ball didn't even play against Ohio State that year

 

[tOSUGrad90]

Yards per rush....
Wisconsin might have gained a lot of yards but when it came to push and shove Wisconsin couldn't score TD's on TCU
Montee Ball didn't even play against Ohio State that year

More story telling by the Big 12 Texas school homer with countless profiles. Wisconsin's yards per rush vs. the following teams:

TCU 4.9
Iowa 3.7
OSU 4.3
Purdue 4.4

Oh, and Wisconsin scored two rushing touchdowns vs. TCU, including one with two minutes left in the Game, but THREW an incomplete pass on its failed two-point attempt to tie the game. Quit while you're behind.

 

[Major Applewhite]

More story telling by the Big 12 Texas school homer with countless profiles. Wisconsin's yards per rush vs. the following teams:

TCU 4.9
Iowa 3.7
OSU 4.3
Purdue 4.4

Oh, and Wisconsin scored two rushing touchdowns vs. TCU, including one with two minutes left in the Game, but THREW an incomplete pass on its failed two-point attempt to tie the game. Quit while you're behind.

Difference is Wisconsin beat all those teams.
You have already shown your inability to understand football when you claimed how great Ohio State was before they were blown out by Iowa.

Hopefully now you see the point I was trying to make that Ohio State is trash and cannot compete at the top level.
Go back to last year with Clemson. Elite teams do not have horrible showings.

Wisconsin moved the ball between the 20's with 3 RB's on a 3-3-5 defense but did not produce many points because of the fact that TCU was a lot faster then them as well as strong as them.

In regards to West Virginia their D Line is puny and not even fast. I understand if they had a bunch of 250 pound linemen who could run 4.5 but they do not.
They should take a page from Texas Tech who bulked up their D Line this year

 

[tOSUGrad90]

You keep changing your argument because you're a clueless clown, rotten apple. Ohio State's CFP game against Clemson has nothing to do with your lies about Wisconsin and TCU in the 2011 Rose Bowl. You're incredibly desperate, but if you insist upon changing the subject to Ohio State, I'm game because what Ohio State has accomplished since the CFP started dwarfs what either Texas or TCU has done, but you'll probably claim to be an Alabama fan next. LMAO!

 

[Major Applewhite]

You keep changing your argument because you're a clueless clown, rotten apple. Ohio State's CFP game against Clemson has nothing to do with your lies about Wisconsin and TCU in the 2011 Rose Bowl. You're incredibly desperate, but if you insist upon changing the subject to Ohio State, I'm game because what Ohio State has accomplished since the CFP started dwarfs what either Texas or TCU has done, but you'll probably claim to be an Alabama fan next. LMAO!

Because it proves that you do not know football.

CFP has been around for three years. CFB was around a lot longer and will be around after the CFP is over.
SLOHIO State.

Remember when VY ran all over your sorry team

 

[tOSUGrad90]

I remember Ohio State's last trip to Austin...a thumping of Colt McCoy and the ugly orange. Again, this has nothing to do with your lies about Wisconsin/TCU, but please keep changing the subject, 6-5 boy.

 

[Major Applewhite]

The bigger story was when a Texas HS went up to Ohio and beat Canton McKinley and Massillon High School in consecutive weeks by a combined 90 points

 

[tOSUGrad90]

High school football now? Your desperation is palpable. Enjoy your bus trip to some mid-December bowl in a Texas armpit, 6-5 boy.

 

[Major Applewhite]

High school football now? Your desperation is palpable. Enjoy your bus trip to some mid-December bowl in a Texas armpit, 6-5 boy.

That is why Ohio is considered to be a third world country.
High unemployment
High drug use
High poverty rates
No growth

The epicenter of the Rust Belt

 

[tOSUGrad90]

All the money in the World, but Texass is going to its first bowl game in three years, and a crappy bowl at that. LOL

 

[Major Applewhite]

All the money in the World, but Texass is going to its first bowl game in three years, and a crappy bowl at that. LOL

Nebraska thought they were good until they played Texas.
Put Texas or Oklahoma in the B1G in 2021.
Both schools would win that conference 16 out of the next 20 years.

 

[Soaring Eagle 74]

And Geno has Dana and his offense to thank for him being a second round pick cause our offense totally sucked when Bill Stewart was HC and Jeff Mullen was playing OC with bubble screen after bubble screen followed by Jock and or Noel up the middle/on the sweep. That is when I knew Doc knew nothing about football. Anyone who could set next to Jeff Mullen with that playcalling for 2 seasons and not kick his ass and take over was never meant to be a Head Coach in Morgantown.

Hey wait just a minute!

The bubble screen for no gain is my favorite play of all time. Didn’t Rich Rod run it about 100 times in the infamous Pitt game?

 

[tOSUGrad90]

Nebraska thought they were good until they played Texas.
Put Texas or Oklahoma in the B1G in 2021.
Both schools would win that conference 16 out of the next 20 years.

Y'all lost to MARYLAND this season, but be sure to make idiotic predictions, agent orange. Maryland is tied for LAST in the B1G East, but yeah, 6-5 Texas would win the B1G. #Delusional

 

[Major Applewhite]

Y'all lost to MARYLAND this season, but be sure to make idiotic predictions, agent orange. Maryland is tied for LAST in the B1G East, but yeah, 6-5 Texas would win the B1G. #Delusional

I see why the state of Ohio is so poor. The citizens of the state lack basic reading comprehension.
Maryland had their starting QB knocked out by Texas.
If you want to claim that then let's go with the fact that Iowa killed you by 30 and played Iowa St into OT a team that Texas crushed in Ames.
UT made Iowa St's QB quit football.
More importantly I said Oklahoma or Texas and OU beat Ohio St by 15 at home and by the look of things Ohio State will win the B1G this year......
Wouldn't OU be actually B1G champs as well

 

[WVUALLEN]

Two trolls fighting over who swings the biggest dick.

 

[Eermountain]

Please educate me as the positive take away from this post? Short of seeing it as a thinly disguised ‘hit piece’ directed toward Dana I fail to understand the message.
Never miss any opportunity to take a cheap shot!

There is no positive from this post. Do you think all posts need to be rosey and cheerful? This thread has been hijacked anyway, lo!. Point is as good as an offensive minded coach Dana is, he has done nothing in regards to getting QBs from the high school level and developing them into a quality collegiate quarterbacks. Hopefully that will happen with Trey Lowe but he might not see the field till he is a junior/senior being burried behind Grier, Allison, Isreal and whoever else transfers in or comes from the JUCO ranks.

 

[WVU80ate]

Lookin at this is somewhat troubling. Take away Grier,Howard,and Trickett and god only knows where this program would be.

High School QBs
Paul Millard *** - limited action, eventually left team as a 5th year senior
Brian Athey *** - Didn't even step foot on campus, enrolled at Illinois State and played TE
Ford Childress *** - Off field issues, eventually dismissed from team. Transfered to Fresno State and had limited action.
Chavas Rawlins *** - Early enrolle but left team after spring and transferred to Duquesne.
William Crest **** - Highly touted player(#7 Dual QB in his class) left team and came back but has not materialized.
Chris Chugunov *** - Backup has played sparingly and is now the starter for the team.
David Sills **** - Child prodigy QB that ultimately ended up playing WR. left team after freshman year for junior college and then returned to team. All American status as WR.
Cody Saunders ** - Left team due to medial issue after freshman season. Never saw action on the field.
Trey Lowe *** - #17 Dual Threat QB in the 2018 class and only QB signed for this upcoming class.

JUCO/Transfers
Clint Trickett - Transfer from Florida State. Starter for one season. Did not finish the season due to injury.
Skyler Howard - two year starter 18-8 as a starter
Will Grier - Transfer from Florida. 6-0 record as starter before being suspended. Injured against Texas, out for final season game and bowl game.
Jack Allison - Transfer from Miami,redshirt freshman(has to sit out 2017 season)
David Isreal - redhirted for 2017 season

If you’re going to bash, at least get your facts straight. Brian Athey was a Bill Stewart recruit.

 

[Eermountain]

If you’re going to bash, at least get your facts straight. Brian Athey was a Bill Stewart recruit.

Take Athey away, my point is still valid.

 

[WVU80ate]

Take Athey away, my point is still valid.

no it’s actually not. I complain about Dana as well. But his recruiting is damn good. And transfers or not, several schools would’ve loved to have had Grier and Trickett.

 

[Woody in Helvetia]

I see why the state of Ohio is so poor. The citizens of the state lack basic reading comprehension.
Maryland had their starting QB knocked out by Texas.
If you want to claim that then let's go with the fact that Iowa killed you by 30 and played Iowa St into OT a team that Texas crushed in Ames.
UT made Iowa St's QB quit football.
More importantly I said Oklahoma or Texas and OU beat Ohio St by 15 at home and by the look of things Ohio State will win the B1G this year......
Wouldn't OU be actually B1G champs as well

Since when did 17-7 become a crushing loss. I watched that game and it was a game between two have nots with horrible qb's. Both teams have found much better qb's since then.

 

[Nova Mountaineer]

Given Dana's history with Juco's and transfers that a solid QB coming out of
high school would think twice before coming to WVU. Worrisome.

 

[RAK]

We have not done a good job of recruiting speed either, we are slow.

 

[MountainBill]

Did Dan recruit Grier or did Trickett recruit Grier and talk him into transferring to WVU?